Vance and Hines Urban Brawler Pipes
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Got the Brawlers installed after work today.
Took about 35min to do.About 5min for left side.
20-25min for right due to having to remove the exhaust valve cables.
About 5min to set juice box and cleanup.
Shaved about 18lbs off.I weighed everything i took off.
Warning these are LOUD!
I thought with the factory cat under the bike it would be a subtle differance.
i went for a reguar ride after install and my wife said she could hear me a block
and a half away.Without hard accelleration.When you do get on it everyone looks your way.Some people may lke that but i have a feeling every cop i go by is gonna freakout.This is not good in my book,thinking about the baffles for them.
Will hopefully post some pics next day off.
I know everybody wants to see that left hand side pic no one is posting.
They look awesome!Both sides.
Everyone who saw the bike today was blown away at the look.
Its tough looking and even tougher sounding,my neighbors probably wont like the morning start up,but i hope nobody complains.
Thats it for now.....PEACE
Took about 35min to do.About 5min for left side.
20-25min for right due to having to remove the exhaust valve cables.
About 5min to set juice box and cleanup.
Shaved about 18lbs off.I weighed everything i took off.
Warning these are LOUD!
I thought with the factory cat under the bike it would be a subtle differance.
i went for a reguar ride after install and my wife said she could hear me a block
and a half away.Without hard accelleration.When you do get on it everyone looks your way.Some people may lke that but i have a feeling every cop i go by is gonna freakout.This is not good in my book,thinking about the baffles for them.
Will hopefully post some pics next day off.
I know everybody wants to see that left hand side pic no one is posting.
They look awesome!Both sides.
Everyone who saw the bike today was blown away at the look.
Its tough looking and even tougher sounding,my neighbors probably wont like the morning start up,but i hope nobody complains.
Thats it for now.....PEACE
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Good to know about the volume, Barry. I love the look of the pipes but I hate having a loud exhaust. Beyond the fact that I think it's incredibly rude to others and makes motorcycling look even more like a public enemy, it just irritates me while riding. Baffles would be a must for me, and even then I wonder how effective those are.
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don't get the muzzy then loud doesn't cover it. wish i could get a quieter baffle for it. but what did i expect muzzy race exhaust. duh. fun to ride but attracts waaaaaaayyyyy too much attention. if i hadn't invested so much i would go bact to stock. fun factor is through the roof though. did 2nd gear power wheelie next to cbr1000rr while he was too. he was surprised that it would do it. i wasn't. bike pulls hard as long as you twist. haven't changed front sprocket yet. can't find a socket that fits yet.:screwy::screwy::screwy:
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I know rob has been building awesome kaws since the early 80s when function was way over form.I had a straight through V&h on my 81 gs750 ex and it wasnt as loud as the bawlers. I was expecting a little throatyness considering the underbelly cat setup but eeryone says it sounds like a full system.
I am all about being green and flyin under the radar thats why im considering the baffle kit.These cans act like amplifiers. I ran the bike with the stock cans off ad the sound was very noticabley quieter.
Im startining to like them though there is a little very little bog at tip in.
I think a touch more fuel at tip will fix it.
Will keep you guys updated..Peace..and ride safe...Barry
I am all about being green and flyin under the radar thats why im considering the baffle kit.These cans act like amplifiers. I ran the bike with the stock cans off ad the sound was very noticabley quieter.
Im startining to like them though there is a little very little bog at tip in.
I think a touch more fuel at tip will fix it.
Will keep you guys updated..Peace..and ride safe...Barry
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Yeah, Rick, I got that impression. I might just not touch the exhaust, unless it turns out the Akrapovic full system isn't obscenely loud with the plug in. It's just not what I want.
Wonder how the Brawlers look with the silencers in and, at that point, how loud they are.
Wonder how the Brawlers look with the silencers in and, at that point, how loud they are.
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Im starting to get used to the sound level.Even though my sv i have has a full sytem.
I think i was getting spoiled by the stock cans.At idle they are about the same,i live in a brick house and can hear either one inside while idleing not loud but you can tell a bike is running outside.
The difference is the sv has a 16inch can on it.Its straight through but has glass in it like most cans.So it gets a little louder when riding it.The Brawlers a just tin stainless and they increase sound with speed. I imagine if i was riding next to my sv i wouldnt even hear it....Peace ...Barry
I think i was getting spoiled by the stock cans.At idle they are about the same,i live in a brick house and can hear either one inside while idleing not loud but you can tell a bike is running outside.
The difference is the sv has a 16inch can on it.Its straight through but has glass in it like most cans.So it gets a little louder when riding it.The Brawlers a just tin stainless and they increase sound with speed. I imagine if i was riding next to my sv i wouldnt even hear it....Peace ...Barry
Looking good, brah!!ccasion:Here is that illusive left side!
But I have to say this: YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THE CONDITION OF YOUR CHAIN!
Rust? Come on man - put some WD-40 on it and get it cleaned up!! There is no reason to have rust on your chain! :welcome:"ot::2cents:
I like how they look, but I am really satisfied with the M4 slip-ons that I put on mine. They were cheap ($400) and flat black like the lower fairing, so they look really good on the bike, and they arent loud unless you JUMP on it.
M4 Dual GP Slip-On Exhaust for Z1000 10 - Exhaust - Slip/Bolt-ons - Solo Moto Parts
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First i want to adress the rust issue.
I park at work about 30yards from the gulf of mexico everyday.
Wth the wind sand blasting my bike with every breeze and the salt laden air eating at every finish on the thing.Salt love aluminium.
Im lucky the whole bike isnt corroded to dust.
Thre is a light coat of axle bearing grease all over it
I dont like to use a lot of chain lube because it usually just ends up all over my rear wheel.I normally have to replace chain and sprockets every 3 years any way due to all the wear from the sand. I live in florida on the coast and i dont even have a yard its just sand.Besides the internal o rings of the chain hold all the lube it needs inside each link if i lube the out side too much it acts like glue for the sand.
Better to keep it a little dry so sand doesnt stick to it.
I park at work about 30yards from the gulf of mexico everyday.
Wth the wind sand blasting my bike with every breeze and the salt laden air eating at every finish on the thing.Salt love aluminium.
Im lucky the whole bike isnt corroded to dust.
Thre is a light coat of axle bearing grease all over it
I dont like to use a lot of chain lube because it usually just ends up all over my rear wheel.I normally have to replace chain and sprockets every 3 years any way due to all the wear from the sand. I live in florida on the coast and i dont even have a yard its just sand.Besides the internal o rings of the chain hold all the lube it needs inside each link if i lube the out side too much it acts like glue for the sand.
Better to keep it a little dry so sand doesnt stick to it.
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As far as a lean condition,the bike suffers from that from the factory.
To meet epa the bike is dangerously lean even with factory exhaust.
Ive had the juice box installed since i clocked 500mi.
Set to position 1 factory air box-factory exhaust and it made the bike much more rideable smoothing tip-in and the rest of the fuel curve.
Now with the Brawlers setting 2 woke it up in a big way.
I highly reccomend a fuel controler with or without mods.
To meet epa the bike is dangerously lean even with factory exhaust.
Ive had the juice box installed since i clocked 500mi.
Set to position 1 factory air box-factory exhaust and it made the bike much more rideable smoothing tip-in and the rest of the fuel curve.
Now with the Brawlers setting 2 woke it up in a big way.
I highly reccomend a fuel controler with or without mods.
That is an exceptable reason. I shall let you off the hook this time
I know what you mean about having chain lube flung all over the rear rim - not to mention all over the rear seat, which is WHITE. I have the same issues. I too live by the coast (albeit not 30 yards from it! Lucky you!) and what I do to prevent rust on the chain is to clean it really well with WD-40, which I then wipe the excess off with a towel. WD-40 is also a great way to clean the sticky crap off your rims.
Oh - and for the rear seat, Ive found that taking it off and bringing it to your kitchen sink and washing it with warm water and Soft Scrub with bleach (kitchen/bathroom cleaning product from Dow, i believe... Soft Scrub® - Household Cleaning Products) then just towel dry - keeps the seat looking brand spanking new!!
ccasion:I really asked around about this, as I was told by the guy that sold me the bike that I HAD TO get a power commander if I was going to put on slip-ons.
I learned that they were basically hoping to just make another sale by having my add the PC to the total bill...
100% of the mechanics I spoke with told me that if you get a full system, you MUST get a PC. However, if all you are doing is putting on slip-ons, the PC is not required. They explained that the bike's ECU has to be able to adjust itself slightly for changes in elevation, and that it reads the change in pressure on the exhausts as a slight difference in elevation chage, and it adjusts the map accordingly. They said that if there was anything wrong, the FI light would come on. The bike has 6000 miles on it now, and the FI light hasnt come on, and it runs like a beast. I was told that I would be wasting my money to put on a PC if I wasnt going to also change the air filter and headers.
Thats just what Ive been told. So, I never put a PC on mine.
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