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2012 yes the lighter weight helps but the additive will add 2-3 on its own. Remember there conditioning the metal in the engine not the oil. I used some xr-1 additive when I had my bike dynoed however I do not know how much it added as I did exhaust filter and pcv at the same time. If you took that bike from the brocks testing put the stock oil weight back in it would still make more than it did with stock weight oil. The seals,bearings pistons crank etc have all been treated with the additive and it is permanent change. The stuff works great at reducing wear,heat and friction which in turn increases power. Now is it a huge diff no you probably could not tell a huge diff however I guarantee that if you did a dyno back to back with nothing but some additive it would make a few more ponies.

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Does the Z have an independant gear box? If not, friction modifiers will mess up the tranny in a hurry. That's why it's advisable to not use "high mileage" formula oils. Or so I understand anyway.

On a stock bike you can run some petron formula 7 oil additive. Brocks sells it, its dyno proven for a few ponies. I did not believe it until I seen the power he made on a z from a diff weight oil and the additive he gained around six HP from those two alone,yes from just those two. Check out the video it on here under the brocks exhaust thread. He is an amazing tuner and knows how to get power out of bikes. The additive is thirty bucks,I like horsepower in a bottle by xr-1. They both treat the metal in a engine not the oil. They help to reduce heat and friction. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that less heat,less friction equals more power.

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The z's gearbox shares oil with the engine it is not independent. Petron formula 7 will not harm wet clutches or gearboxes, it is specifically made for motorcycles its not just a general engine use additive. It is not a friction modifier its a conditioner. Brock runs it in nearly every bike he tunes and last I checked most of his bikes run 8 second quarter miles all day and are ran very hard. It's perfectly safe and it does make more hp. It's one of those things that is hard to believe but just is. I have ran xr1 HP in a bottle in all my bikes for over ten years and these two are very similar.

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Thanks blkNorange. Good info to have :)
 

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No!! Slip on is purely for looks! Maybe 2 hp from slip on and 1 hp from filter! Not sure you would gain ponies from remapping
 

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Generally remapping will not gain very much measurable HP. Maybe a HP, however a properly tuned bike will accelerate faster than when it was not. HP is not he only factor in speed. Take for example a roll on from 60 to 100 on a tuned bike will take less time than it would on the same untuned bike. I have learned this over the years of having my bikes tuned and built by my local tuner he is an amazing tuner. He had my sv1000 on the dyno with a slip on and timed some acceleration with and without mapping. Even though it did not change the hp much it took less time to accelerate with proper mapping.

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i just ordered a bottle of petron from brocks. im gonna dump it in and redyno the bike see if i gain 5hp.. lOL! .. seriously i did order a bottle though..haha! $38 after shipping , better be some good shtuff.
 

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Do a fresh oil change and you will add power guaranteed. 2-3 HP is what you will probably see. If you go with a light weight oil you will see more like 5.

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I am coming up on my first OC, and may go ahead and do it where I am now, (at a bit over 500 miles), instead of waiting till 600.

Gonna go with synthetic, as well.
 

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i switched to synthetic at 600 and i dont know if i just had bad luck or what but shortly after i had some slight leaking at the valve cover, which i did re tq down and seemed to solve the issue. but occasionally i would still get some slight seepage around certain areas of the VC , switched back to reg rotella T and its been dry as a bone since. i dunno my bike didnt take to well to the synthetic..lOL!
 

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Yea I run Lucas racing synthetic blend its kind of the best of both worlds. Less friction than regular but not as much money as full I get it for 4.79 a quart. It's good stuff.

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so i got the petron formula in the bike today.. followed the directions and dumped it in while the motor was warm then drove it to work , good 20miles ride, so got it good and worked in.. 1st impressions are the bike feels smoother , almost instantly.. 2ndly it does feel like the bike accelerates a touch faster, nothing huge but something noticeable is there.. maybe just in my head but runs/shifts smoother for sure if anything.
 

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Yea like I said its good for a few HP which you will not notice a huge diff while driving. The real benefits are the longevity and cooler run temps.

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A one time treatmant that's why its kind of pricey. The treatmant has conditioned the metal of the engine not the oil,that's permanent. It becomes part of the metal in the engine.

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Best power gains are a full exhaust system (expensive - $1,000+), a race air filter ($50-$100), and then new custom fuel mapping (would need a power commander v $250-$300).
This *triple threat* is what I've decided on (keeping the stock mufflers, though, and putting them on an Arrow header)


Thanks for the input, all. You guys really know your stuff!

After these changes, I'll remain stock.

I mean it, this time!
 

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so i got the petron formula in the bike today.. followed the directions and dumped it in while the motor was warm then drove it to work , good 20miles ride, so got it good and worked in.. 1st impressions are the bike feels smoother , almost instantly.. 2ndly it does feel like the bike accelerates a touch faster, nothing huge but something noticeable is there.. maybe just in my head but runs/shifts smoother for sure if anything.
Where did you end up getting it from?
 

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Discussion Starter #39 (Edited)
Here's another question.

Say I get:

Arrow header (and keep the stock, unaltered mufflers).

K & N filter.

Power Commander V.


Here is my question:

With a power commander V, would it be alot of trial and error for me to get the correct map for my *odd* modification combination, or would I need to spring for the auto tune and let it get the best map itself? Isn't it doubtful that they already have available a map for my Arrow header/stock mufflers/ K & N filter combination...........????).

Anyone else use the Auto Tune? Did it work well?

I see Solo Moto has the PC V for $303.96, and the Auto Tune for $223.96. Is it worth it?

Also, a company on E Bay has the PC V for $299, and they say tell them your modifications and they'll send your PC mapped for your specific bike mods....

???????????

Any input is appreciated. And excuse my ignorance.
 

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i mean if you want it like spot on 100% accurate best bet is a dyno tune or auto tuner.. i think power commander has full exhaust maps though which will probably be good enough as the full exhaust is the main power adder to what your doing. pcv with proper map for the bike and high flow filter are like 2-3 hp at best. pcv doesnt really provide any gains it just smoothes out the way the bike runs best way to put it.
 
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