[notabiker]

honda makes wonderful motorcycles, BUT they always play it on the safe side. the old 919 standard was a good SLOW bike. now they come out with the cb 1000. i think it is under 110 HP. i do not understand their conservative horse power. they know the Z1000 and yam FZ1 make over 125 horse power.
and suzuki they turned the old air cooled bandit [ nice bike] into a comuter bike at best. the old 1200 air cooled bandit was not as good as the ZRX but at least in was close. suzuki does not sell a Z1000 type bike in the usa, and the FZ1 is not really a naked bike at all.and while i am on my soap box the FZ1 has very bad power under 8,000 rpm. they always slam the 03-06 Zed for this but not the FZ1. i spent some seat time on a 07 FZ1 and i thought it was a great bike over 8,000 rpm.

 

[kawtoy_77]

So we aren't counting the Suzuki "Burger King".... as a naked or Z1k type bike? It is quite hefty..... like it a couple burger kings!

Honda is too busy screwing around with automatic transmissions that nobody wants. I.E, the Do Not- 0wn1 and bike like the new crosstour coming out.... I don't care if you call it a motorcycle or a superbike.... if it shifts like a scooter, looks like a scooter, and rides like a scooter.... ITS A SCOOTER!

 

[notabiker]

my bud has a B KING i guess it is a super duper semi naked sit up BUSA. after you remove the buck rogers mufflers and put something that does not fit a 1950s space ship it is a VERY nice bike. in fact i love it. to bad the press slammed it so bad they dropped it after 1 year. i guess at over 160 HP it is before its time.

 

[Z1000 Rider]

I dig the new CB and like the style. I'm sure uncorking it would unleash a few more ponies like it would on any bike, but can't be the judge without riding it.

 

[kawtoy_77]

my bud has a B KING i guess it is a super duper semi naked sit up BUSA. after you remove the buck rogers mufflers and put something that does not fit a 1950s space ship it is a VERY nice bike. in fact i love it. to bad the press slammed it so bad they dropped it after 1 year. i guess at over 160 HP it is before its time.

I just couldn't get past the cheap chrome trimming on the switch above the tank, and the sheer girth of it; like stradling two HD full-dressers! I think I would still take a Star VMAX over the B-King.... even though they are kinda apples to oranges. :2cents:

 

[kawtoy_77]

I dig the new CB and like the style. I'm sure uncorking it would unleash a few more ponies like it would on any bike, but can't be the judge without riding it.

The VFR SSS and wheel is played out.... and if a 2x4 could look like a robot, that is what the CB1000's exhaust looks like. :2cents:

I guess I just still love the looks of the first gen Z's

 

[notabiker]

the vfr sss and wheel is played out.... And if a 2x4 could look like a robot, that is what the cb1000's exhaust looks like. :2cents:

I guess i just still love the looks of the first gen z's

me toooooooooo :+1:

 

[notabiker]

that tank is huge, but man is that engine smooth and powerful. shifts like a dream also.
the V MAX is a little faster in a back road drag race, i think of it as a street brawler bike. a lot of machoooo. i can ride my friends collection of bikes 7 going on 8 but i like to ride my little ol 2004 Zed more . it is my baby, fits me like a glove. it is my mechanical lover.

 

[BeastIncarnate]

The thing to consider is that the CB1000 came out a few years ago - it's only just now hitting the US. Competition wasn't the same. Even then, though, it wasn't the top of the pack.

I could do without the pinwheels, that's for sure. But for most people, the Honda badge is the reason to buy.

 

[kawtoy_77]

But for most people, the Honda badge is the reason to buy.

It better be, have you seen what they are asking for a 2011 VT750 RS? 750, drum rear brake, numbers that an 883 Sportster could outperform..... But, it looks neat! It also probably stone reliable... For $8k you are gonna hafta do better Big Red!

 

[BeastIncarnate]

I've also seen what they charge for the VFR1200 and most any of their other bikes. Honda's always been expensive and they don't seem to have a problem selling. My issue is that they used to innovate.

 

[kawtoy_77]

I've also seen what they charge for the VFR1200 and most any of their other bikes. Honda's always been expensive and they don't seem to have a problem selling. My issue is that they used to innovate.

Explain the Honda Fury, NT700V, and the DN-01 then... those numbers for sales are terrible.

I did however see one dealership selling aforementioned vt750rs for $7k.... I'll wait till it doesn't sell, an then pick it up for $5k

As far as innovation, you must not be impressed with their NEW automatic transmission with dual clutches... or their DCT technology. They are working on making motorcycling even more ridiculous later on with new tranny technologies on their upcoming Crosstour...

 

[notabiker]

i am not your avg bike buyer, i do not like 1/4 fairings on naked bikes. so the bikes that i like are
1. kawa ZRX
2. 03-06 Z1000
3. mv agusta brutalli
a short list
i also like the old air cooled bandit, not the S
all the 80s standard air cooled sport bikes
so to me kawasaki is the inovator in what i like, o and i like the speed tripple also.

 

[BeastIncarnate]

Kawtoy - Maybe I should have said "relatively speaking". They're not going out of business next week.

The DCT transmission is interesting as is the C-ABS system, but Honda's failure seems to be putting it all together. The CBR600RR and 1000RR are fantastic bikes and the DCT could be cool on those if the weight can be kept down. The VFR800 is long in the tooth, the VFR1200 is a confused whale of a bike, and the CB1000R doesn't compete in its segment. If you don't want a cruiser or a crotch rocket, Honda isn't keeping up.

That's why I bought my Z, even though I used to be a Honda guy.

 

[kawtoy_77]

I like Honda, they just seem to be making themselves hard to like nowadays....

 

[kawtoy_77]

Notabiker, you and I seem to have similar likes and dislikes... on this particular matter....I believe a motorcycle should consist of a headlight (with possible minor cowling), side covers, and a tail section or rear fender. The motor should be visible at all times.

 

[Sentinel]

The 2012 CB1000R is rumored to be a real Z1000 killer...

 

[htech71]

yea why not put the cbr 1000 motor in the new cb. that would be awesome

 

[notabiker]

Notabiker, you and I seem to have similar likes and dislikes... on this particular matter....I believe a motorcycle should consist of a headlight (with possible minor cowling), side covers, and a tail section or rear fender. The motor should be visible at all times.

you nailed it my friend.ccasion:

 

[zephyrboy738]

You have to ask your self? What do I want in a motor cycle. Lots of power, a huge amont of lowend grunt.Razor sharp handling, Wheely's at the twist of the rist YOU MUST BE TALKING ABOUT THE Z1000 RIGHT Can't touch this :lol: