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2010 Streetfighter Shootout IV - Street Bike Motorcycle Comparison Review - Motorcycle USA

<i>"Despite finishing second to the Kawasaki in the rider opinion-based subjective area, the Ducati absolutely smoked the competition in the performance-based objective scoring. It won six of eight categories, which ultimately boosted its score enough to give it the nod when the overall points were totaled"</i>

Their numbers are interesting on the "objective" side, as I've seen other publications with different results testing the same bikes. Just another data point. :)
 

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Lots of folks have had issues with Motorcycle USA's scoring system. The numbers seem quite arbitrary and, when you're deciding the better bike by terms of a numeric score, it's very important that there is substantial justification for the numbers given.

When the writers leave an article preferring one bike over the others, but that bike doesn't win, there's something up. Either that bike has a serious defect, which they certainly didn't claim the Z did, or the system blows.

Interesting that they claimed the Z had the best suspension. The SuperDuke and Streetfighter both have significantly higher spec components. I'd heard the Streetfighter's suspension does suck, but the WPs on the SuperDuke garner almost universal praise.
 

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I took issue with the scoring system as well. First of all, if both reporters preferred the second place bike, then the result doesn't pass the sniff test. Second, the categories are scored using a 10-point scale, yet there is no score lower than 7. This is problematic; for example, the reporters claim that the Duc's transmission has excessive slop and jumps out of gear. Despite this, it gets a transmission score of 7. Another inexplicable score is in the price category. The Duc costs $14,995 and gets a price score of 7. The Kawi costs $10,499 ($4,500 less) and gets a price score of only 8! Yet the KTM, which costs $10,495, gets a price score of 10. That's a seriously non-linear scale; you get an extra 2 points for $5??!! If one wishes to argue that price represents "value", then that argument needs to carry over to other areas as well; under that argument, the Kawi should score much higher on horsepower and 1/4 mile because you get a lot of performance for the money.

My other issue with the test is that it is a "Streetfighter" shootout, yet the Ducati wins largely for its race bike qualities. As an (admittedly biased) owner of a 2010 Z1000, I wouldn't want a Ducati Streetfighter because it just doesn't sound like it would be as much fun to ride *on the street*.
 

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Excellent points, Vic. Motorcycle USA has been called out many times before on account of their "scoring system" being completely messed up. I don't begrudge anyone their choice in bikes, nor is it important to me that the world says my bike is the best ever. After all, next year something else will be new. But at least have a clear and meaningful message when you're reviewing!
 

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I think these guys lost the main idea of streetfighter!!
They say the Ducati is a better track bike, with its all out performance, but can it in all other areas!!
In Australia, all bikes cost big $$$ compared to the U.S. (import tarrifs etc.)
The Z1000 has a rrp of $17,700AU ride away, where the Ducati is a whopping $35,000AU!!
A friend of mine has a 2010 Streetfighter S & compared to my 2010 Z1000, I'm not that impressed! Give me the Kawasaki every time we go out riding! More comfortable & out handles the Duc around the twisties!
Also in all the write-ups I've read, they note the Dunlops fitted as standard. Over here the Z is fitted with Pirreli Diablo Rossi's on both ends & has ABS as standard.
I'd like to see that put up against their streetfighter shootout!
 

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I feel diffrent, I trust what they say, being a motorjournelist is tought stuff, where do you place the tropby.

I do have a problem with the award thought.

As I see it, a "Street Fighter" is a bike built from the street, from circumstances, not broshures, customizations, not board members.

Street Fighters originally were created from sport bikes (GSXers, FZR;s, ZX,s and CBR's), crashed and, in loue of having insurace, stripped of having expensive replaceable body work, found cheaper ways of getting it back on the streeet, renthol bars, PIAA lights, Krylon spray paint and engineering from punks.

Scars can't be created from duplicated, nor individuality put in a catalog. My Z1000 isn't a street fighter, yet. Nor may it ever become one.

Just like harleys will rarely ever be a bikers ride. I used to work at a "biker shop" called "freedom cycles", When I saw clip on pony tails (easly clippable to your helmet), and pre-faded fake leather. When I saw this, I voued I would never sell out.

SS, or Super Standard is the best name I have found yet. Anyone else, it's a tough to get through this.

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all i know is every time i ride my 2004 Z 1000 i get very happy and think man you are smart and lucky. in the last year i he put seat time on these bikes.
1. B KING very good
2. 09 V MAX a blast
3. benelli TNT 1130 naked KOOL
4. 06 hayabusa un comfortable
5. 08 ZX 14 with risers pretty comfy for a rocket
6. 2010 Z 1000 does everything except please my eye balls [ sorry]
7.2010 speed tripple if they never made a Z 1000 i prolly would have one, even with butt ugly headlights
i still like my Z 1000 over all the other bikes. my bike is plenty fast and fun to ride, also to me it is eye candy.
 

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notabiker, what do you do? that's quite a list of rides for a regular joe. you must must have some very good friends.
 

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notabiker, what do you do? that's quite a list of rides for a regular joe. you must must have some very good friends.
my best friend is a regular guy[ drives a big rig] but he has a sickness to change motorcycles all the time. right now he has 6 bikes. the oldest one is a 05 yamaha warrior. it has a american turbo kit on it and has 140 RWHP. at 140 LBS TQ it is a animal.
it is cool to ride them.
a little interesting story. the B KING is really a sit up busa. well one day we went to a safe place and i was on the new 09 V MAX and him on the B KING. we did a few roll on drag races in 2 nd and 3 rd gears. that big shaft drive 600 plus lbs V MAX put it to the B KING every time. not even close. so if you want liter race bike power in a cruiser the V MAX has no match.
 
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